RikardAndresen

Experiences
Many years ago; I was alone in the house, doing my latihan. Lying on the floor with my arms outstretched, I felt a strange hand seizing my left hand in a solid grip. For a long moment everything stood still. The entrance door was locked, and no sou…

Comment by RikardAndresen April 8 permalink
Experiences
I have sometines felt a similar physical excitement, though more centered in the solar plexus, a couple of seconds before a fish takes the bait. I have no explanation but a thought that it may indicate a contact with a life force.

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Experiences
As a young man I had a job in a public library. Looking at a random book to find its correct placing, I felt a vibration of excitement in my whole body, and started reading it out of curiosity. This book would change my life entirely; it led me into…

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Organisational Mythology
Stefan, The story told at Coombe Springs was that Eva Bartok had a cyst or benign tumor on her womb, and that an operation would endanger the child’s life. After many special latihans with Ibu Sumari the cyst started to shrink, and at last disappea…

Comment by RikardAndresen March 20 permalink
Is Subud a religion?
Eva Bartok was pregnant, but had a cyst on her womb, not cancer, but the child’s life was in danger. After a series of latihans with Ibu Sumari the cyst vanished. According to the doctors, this happens in rare cases. The great newspaper interest had…

Comment by RikardAndresen March 9 permalink
Is Subud a religion?
Sjahari; “What is a religion? How is that defined?” Encyclopedia Britannica has a fairly long, detailed definition. Does subud qualify?” Yes, Subud contains all necessary ingredients of a religion, and yes, Rahayu presses this button in the famou…

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Is Subud a religion?
It is easy to understand the relief felt by Cuban members who live in a country with a general ban on assembly, but it may look different in a broader perspective. It is a basic dogma that Subud is not a religion – and a condition for its existence.…

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Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Stefan; In their youth, Pak Subuh and PAK Sukino were both disciples of the Sufi teacher Seh Abdurachman, who is also mentioned in Bapak’s autobiography. And as stated by Dr. Stange, they never regarded each other as “competitors” ,but rather as le…

Comment by RikardAndresen March 3 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Sjahari; “However the question seems to remain. Is it fundamentally different? If so what is the difference.” From a Pentecostal point of view the opener serves as a witness to the initiation, which occurs as a consequence of the candidate’s wish o…

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Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Sjahari and Stefan; “What distinguishes thelatihan from other practices?” To me, Bapak’s somewhat contradictory statements, on one side that the latihan kejiwaan is not new; it has always existed and is the birthright of Man, and on the other si…

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Background and early history of Subud
Sjahari; Michael Rogge, opened 1954 in Indonesia, comments on the alleged controversy between Husein Rofé and J. G. Bennett on his web site, starting with a quote from Rofé’s book “The Path of Subud: “In May 1955 I had to depart from Hong Kong on …

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Why No Discussions Here?
Sjahari: “What can people do, and what are they doing which is new, and innovative and perhaps with more chance of success?” Breaking the isolation seems to be an upcoming trend. Saturday dinner in Oslo Subud house have gathered up to 50 people, mo…

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Why No Discussions Here?
“There is a lot of activity on facebook, but none here. I much prefer this format.” I agree with Sholl, and Hadrian in this. Facebook’s comment and “like” functions make all attempts at serious communication appear as scattered pieces of informati…

Comment by RikardAndresen February 20 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Mufar wrote: “I think that it would be fascinating and educational to witness a group of people who receives the latihan, with absolutely no explanations as to where it is from, or any other thing. Let them do the latihan without any interference f…

Comment by RikardAndresen February 11 permalink
Time for God: J. Phillippe
Agree. I mean, this is the first time I have seen a thread where I can fully agree with everything that is said. More or less consciously, I think we all seek spiritual enlightenment, and when the miracle does not seem to materialize, we begin testi…

Comment by RikardAndresen November 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Sholl writes: “My own feeling is that something new needs to be started. A new pathway into access to the latihan. The traditional one will stay what it is, but we need to open up other pathways and access points as well.” Yes, but, if possible, …

Comment by RikardAndresen November 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Andrew; “For instance, older members often remind each other that in Subud there is no religion, and the feeling I get when I hear this is of children in a family reminding each other what the rules are. It isn't a discussion, or expressing an…

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
We travel along, singing a song, side by side: “As a result, some members think, Is it not time for Subud to change? However, as we know, before Bapak left us,he laid down the framework we need for the organization and the spiritual side. And hist…

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Interesting historical snippets, inc Subud myths etc
Lutfi: The latter statement seems to be a fairly safe position. Harris Smart will scarcely be able to arrest you in case you are wrong.

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Organisational Mythology
Sjahari; I tend to agree with you concerning the big enterprises and social projects. I was referring to what seems to be a widespread idea, at least among helpers, that our doing the latihan in some inexplicable way has a beneficial influence on …

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Organisational Mythology
"The mission of Subud to bring peace and harmony to humankind through the latihan kejiwaan will only be achieved when large Subud Enterprises and the significant social projects they finance are well established across the globe". From th…

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Organisational Mythology
Another myth is that planning and calculations are not necessary in Subud, because the “unexpected” last minute solution through testing always is the best. This myth also has a historical background that is now half forgotten; Bapak’s appointment o…

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Organisational Mythology
Michael; My posts on this thread is an attempt at answering Stefan’s initial question of whether we have any organizational myths in Subud. Looking back at my posting of 4th Oct I see that I have not been able to express myself clearly. What I had …

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Organisational Mythology
Michael: Of course Bapak’s and WSA’s division of the world into zones is is real enough as an organization map. The myth is the notion that the terrain corresponds to the map; that Subud is among the widespread and significant global organizati…

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Organisational Mythology
The most tenacious myths are those that contain an element of verifiable truth. The following is an excerpt from Subud.org, the official WSA website: “Zone 4 covers central and eastern Europe, Scandinavia, northern Asia and part of the Middle East,…

Comment by RikardAndresen October 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
The court case referred to by Michael is probably the case in 2001 against a somewhat confused woman who had once been a Subud member. Now she accused Subud people of eating their own children. The following letter, posted by Subud USA in 2004 expla…

Comment by RikardAndresen September 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Andrew wrote; “Let's see, Rahayu says in a talk that the World Subud Association can change some minor details of the system that Bapak laid down, and the discussion morphs into a post-mortem of the World Subud Association by-laws, then a riff…

Comment by RikardAndresen September 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Stefan; The MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) is an agreement between WSA and national committees issued by WSA in 2007. The first part of the document contains information about the copyright to Bapak’s talks and writings, which is held by ESA, an…

Comment by RikardAndresen September 2012 permalink
Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Andrew; When I used the term “national character”, it is of course not a precise and unique term that means the same to all. But cultural differences exist, even between cultural cousins like Englishmen and Norwegians. Bapak visited Norway 5 times…

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Responding to Ibu Rahayu
Andrew; What I mean by saying that Ibu Rahayu probably has good reasons for saying what she says is is that I suppose she refers to what she sees around her and what she hears from informants. By “leaving it there” and the following, I express a ho…

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